ImpDev Meetups/2012-06-20

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ImpDev Meetup for June 20, 2012.


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[12:48 PM] Marcus Llewellyn smiles. :) [12:54 PM] Nicky Perian: hi [12:54 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: hi Nicky, hi Marcus [12:54 PM]  Marcus Llewellyn: Hiyas. :) [12:55 PM] Nicky Perian: Boroondas do you use a linux c++ IDE? [12:56 PM] Boroondas Gupte: recently, I've tried code::blocks, but the load times when opening a project are lethal :-\ [12:56 PM] Boroondas Gupte: considering to install the C/C++ plugins for Eclipse to try that [12:56 PM] Nicky Perian: I am thinking of adjunta [12:57 PM] Boroondas Gupte: can CMake generate adjunta projects? [12:57 PM] Nicky Perian: idk [12:57 PM] Nicky Perian: that would be key [12:58 PM] Nicky Perian: I do most development in vs2010 and then switch to linux [12:58 PM] Nicky Perian: I would like to have a way to stay in linux [01:00 PM] Nicky Perian: i am not seeing chat [01:00 PM] Boroondas Gupte is typing something long [01:01 PM] Nicky Perian: k [01:01 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: hmm ... in my current version of CMake, the following generators are available: "Ninja", "Unix Makefiles", "CodeBlocks - Unix Makefiles", "Eclipse CDT4 - Unix Makefiles", "KDevelop3" and "KDevelop3 - Unix Makefiles" [01:03 PM] Boroondas Gupte: Hi Thoria [01:03 PM] Thoria Millgrove: Hello ㋡ [01:04 PM] Marcus Llewellyn: Hiya Thoria. :) [01:04 PM] Nicky Perian: Can you use KDevelop3 on a gnome desktop? [01:04 PM]  Thoria Millgrove: how is everyone? [01:04 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: sure, might just look a bit funny [01:04 PM]  Marcus Llewellyn is fine. :) [01:04 PM] Boroondas Gupte: I might look into that, too. [01:05 PM] Boroondas Gupte: I'm fine, but a bit tired. [01:05 PM] Thoria Millgrove: anybody interested in a developer position in Frederick, MD, USA? I'm hiring [01:05 PM] Nicky Perian: i'm too old [01:05 PM] Boroondas Gupte: Isn't Frederick a male first name? [01:06 PM] Thoria Millgrove: it is, but it's also a city [01:06 PM] Thoria Millgrove: a city named for some old guy [01:07 PM] Boroondas Gupte: too far away (Switzerland), and I already got a job I like [01:07 PM] Boroondas Gupte: but thanks for asking :-) [01:07 PM]  Thoria Millgrove: I'd be happy to hire someone old to make me look younger by comparison, Nicky :-P [01:07 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: :-D [01:07 PM]  Nicky Perian: lol [01:09 PM]  Nicky Perian: Can I get set to be an operator on our irc channels? [01:09 PM]  Thoria Millgrove: but I really don't want to hire any of this group away from doing work on Kokua [01:12 PM]  Nicky Perian: Marcus I tried some of the terrian meshes. What i am looking for is walkable terrian meshes [01:12 PM]  Marcus Llewellyn: Everything I gave to you can be walked on. [01:12 PM]  Nicky Perian: I walk on the bounding box [01:12 PM]  Thoria Millgrove: wb Boro [01:13 PM]  Marcus Llewellyn: Is this on SL or OpenSim? [01:13 PM]  Nicky Perian: both [01:13 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: thx, sorry my Laptop acting up again [01:13 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: I guess I gotta get me some gaming gear. Or finally open the thing up and see whether I need to reapply thermal past of whatever ... [01:14 PM] Boroondas Gupte: *paste [01:14 PM] Marcus Llewellyn: I haven't tested them much on SL, but I know they work fine on OpenSim. When uploading a mesh on OpenSim. most of the physics options in the mesh uplaod floater are useless. You should only use the LOD option at the top of the physics tab to setup physics for the mesh. [01:14 PM] Nicky Perian: k [01:15 PM]  Marcus Llewellyn: OpenSim is also a bit quirky about preserving convex hull on a mesh... you should double check in the build floater, under features, to be certain that it is set to convex hull, and not prim physics. [01:15 PM] Nicky Perian: ok [01:16 PM]  Marcus Llewellyn: You will often lose convex hull on a shift-drag-copy for sure, so you have to chase after stuff and doubel check. A pain... I have a mantis up at OpenSim for it. [01:17 PM] Boroondas Gupte: before I dropped out, you asked about IRC operators, Nicky? [01:17 PM] Nicky Perian: yes [01:18 PM] Boroondas Gupte: I think on freenode channels, the only permanent operator is a bot. But one can get permission to give that bot chat commands that'll make it do stuff or temporary give you ops or something. [01:19 PM] Nicky Perian: I just want to set the message [01:19 PM] Nicky Perian: every once in a while [01:20 PM] Nicky Perian: sorry i am on imp today and cant see the mesh [01:20 PM] Boroondas Gupte: http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml [01:20 PM] Marcus Llewellyn: Ah, okay. :) [01:21 PM] Boroondas Gupte: typing "/msg chanserv help" (without the quotes) will give you some options [01:21 PM]  Nicky Perian: k [01:24 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: meh ... /msg ChanServ TOPIC #kokua http://kokuaviewer.org/ -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. [01:24 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: so ... dunno [01:24 PM]  Marcus Llewellyn: jacek is the channel owner, I presume. [01:24 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: probably [01:24 PM]  Nicky Perian: yes [01:25 PM]  Nicky Perian: i think [01:26 PM]  Nicky Perian: should we try to combine to one channel [01:26 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: #imprudence and #kokua? [01:26 PM]  Nicky Perian: yes [01:27 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: I don't think so, as people might also come there with issues (be it in usage or in building/developing) and those might be different between the two viewers [01:27 PM]  Kentron Katana: hi! [01:27 PM]  Marcus Llewellyn: Heya, Kentron [01:27 PM] Nicky Perian: k [01:27 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: if we always have to ask first about which one they're talking, that'd be rather piontless, wouldn't it? [01:27 PM] Kentron Katana: Sorry the time.. RL .. [01:27 PM] Nicky Perian: hi kentron [01:28 PM] Boroondas Gupte: Hi Kentron, np [01:28 PM]  Kentron Katana: Hi Nicky [01:28 PM] Thoria Millgrove: hi Kentron [01:28 PM] Boroondas Gupte: How have you been? Haven't seen you in a while, or have I? [01:28 PM] Kentron Katana: No, I couldn't come during exams + work time [01:29 PM] Boroondas Gupte: how did the exams go? [01:29 PM] Kentron Katana: I've restarted yesterday looking at the project news [01:29 PM] Kentron Katana: very well [01:29 PM] Boroondas Gupte: glad to hear :-) [01:29 PM]  Kentron Katana: :) [01:30 PM] Kentron Katana: I've red you are near to a beta :) [01:31 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: we've declared the latest builds beta, I think, haven't we? [01:31 PM]  Nicky Perian: yes [01:31 PM]  Nicky Perian: just a milestone [01:32 PM]  Nicky Perian: no formal wave the flag announcement [01:32 PM]  Kentron Katana: Iv'e tried a mac build on Nicky's last kokua-dev today.. Hope to get home soon and see the results.) [01:32 PM] Kentron Katana: kk.. [01:32 PM] Nicky Perian: great [01:32 PM] Kentron Katana: and how is going linux 32 ? is that missing too ? [01:32 PM] Boroondas Gupte: cool. would be good to be able to offer Mac downloads [01:33 PM] Nicky Perian: caught up on linux 32 now [01:33 PM] Nicky Perian: in think mac packaging uses jjaceks script also [01:33 PM] Kentron Katana: Ive found i have to setup my linux distro to use gcc 4.3 ... [01:34 PM] Kentron Katana: yes it uses.. [01:34 PM] Kentron Katana: Ive saw taht this morning when I've passed the configure stage .. [01:34 PM] Boroondas Gupte: yeah, g++-4.6 has some more warnings that due to -Werror are treated by our build as errors, so it aborts :-\ [01:35 PM] Boroondas Gupte: I was looking into that, and could fix the code to not cause warnings in most cases, but I'm not sure how to handle warnings caused by downloade headers. [01:36 PM] Boroondas Gupte: *downloaded [01:36 PM] Boroondas Gupte: (by autobuilds) [01:36 PM] Boroondas Gupte: specifically boost::coroutines (which isn't part of boost) [01:37 PM] Kentron Katana: the problem is that my distro doenst like to have a gcc 4.3 [01:38 PM] Kentron Katana: ..I need to find a fast solution ... [01:38 PM] Boroondas Gupte: quick&dirty "solution" is to take the "-Werror" out of the build system (just search for it) [01:38 PM] Kentron Katana: mm [01:38 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: but how does your distro not like older GCC versions? [01:38 PM] Kentron Katana: but may be if i find a distro with 4.3 it would be faster [01:38 PM] Kentron Katana: it starts to mark package confilcts :/ [01:38 PM] Boroondas Gupte: I think search/replace is considerably faster than installing a new distro ... but suit yourself :-P [01:40 PM] Kentron Katana: well, the damage is already done :) [01:40 PM]  Nicky Perian: gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5 my linux 32 on vbox [01:41 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: what damage? [01:41 PM]  Kentron Katana: mm thx vbox [01:41 PM]  Kentron Katana: it deleted some libraries i need for kde4. . [01:41 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: uh ... ok? [01:42 PM]  Kentron Katana: eheh , no problem [01:42 PM]  Kentron Katana: ill have some time during the wkend :) [01:42 PM] Boroondas Gupte: tip: try new distibutions on a separate HDD or partition [01:43 PM] Kentron Katana: yes, i do that [01:43 PM] Boroondas Gupte: then no libs of your current system should go missing ... [01:44 PM] Kentron Katana: something went wrong on my opensuse.. but np.. i can restore it [01:45 PM] Boroondas Gupte: alright [01:45 PM] Nicky Perian: from an email: My wife found another issue using the 32-bit firestorm, so right now she's taking all of her pictures with Kokua 64. Thanks for that build! [01:45 PM] Boroondas Gupte: btw., I haven't looked yet ... is there an agenda for today? [01:45 PM] Kentron Katana: :D good [01:45 PM] Marcus Llewellyn: Nope. :) [01:45 PM] Boroondas Gupte: good, not that we're skipping anything there [01:46 PM]  Kentron Katana: .) [01:47 PM] Boroondas Gupte: Cool email. Are we still the only project offering 64bit viewer3-derived builds? (Besides Teapot.) [01:47 PM] Nicky Perian: idk [01:48 PM] Marcus Llewellyn: Niran claims 64, but I think you still get a *32 designation in the task manager... [01:48 PM] Nicky Perian: windows 64 [01:49 PM] Marcus Llewellyn: Yes. [01:49 PM] Boroondas Gupte: I think for windows, running 32bit binaries on 64bit operating system isn't that much of a problem. [01:49 PM] Boroondas Gupte: On Linux, GStreamer will be a major PITA. [01:49 PM] Marcus Llewellyn: I do most of my viewer side stuff on Windows, and I personally don't go out of my way to look for 64bit builds. [01:50 PM] Nicky Perian: Gstreamer is a PITA big time anywhere [01:50 PM] Marcus Llewellyn: I know that with Linux the library stuff is more in your face, but on Win, there's no real difference. [01:51 PM] Boroondas Gupte: ... except for RAM amount a single application can address, isn't it? [01:52 PM] Marcus Llewellyn: Yeah... but I can't say I've ever hit a wall there. If the viewer starts using more than 3 gigs, I get worried, not proud of how much memory I have. lol [01:52 PM] Boroondas Gupte: true that [01:54 PM] Boroondas Gupte: Nicky, are you aware that some of your personal forks on bitbucket allow others write or even admin access due to inherited permissions from the forked repos? [01:55 PM] Nicky Perian: i have been lazy about that [01:55 PM] Nicky Perian: ill scrub them [01:55 PM] Boroondas Gupte: ok :-) [01:56 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: There's a checkmark you can uncheck upon forking, that'll avoid this. (Dunno whether one can make it to default to unchecked.) [01:57 PM]  Nicky Perian: if you make a repo on the team account you have to fork it to your personal acount renamed [01:57 PM]  Kentron Katana: mm.. school is closing.. sorry that i have to go again :( [01:57 PM] Boroondas Gupte: tc, Kentron [01:57 PM] Boroondas Gupte: cu [01:57 PM]  Kentron Katana: tc all, cu soon [01:57 PM] Nicky Perian: bye [01:57 PM] Thoria Millgrove: tc [01:58 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: are you sure about that, Nicky? [01:59 PM] Boroondas Gupte: I just cloned https://bitbucket.org/kokua/3p-zlib to https://bitbucket.org/boroondas/3p-zlib to try this. [02:00 PM] Nicky Perian: I tired to fork 3p-apr that i created the original fork and had to rename for it to go [02:00 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: maybe you already had a repo of that name? [02:00 PM] Nicky Perian: fork created after we teamed [02:01 PM] Nicky Perian: I had deleted [02:01 PM] Nicky Perian: before tring [02:01 PM] Boroondas Gupte: strange [02:01 PM] Nicky Perian: I dont think the wki transcript pos will work [02:01 PM] Nicky Perian: post [02:02 PM] Nicky Perian: if it has links [02:02 PM] Nicky Perian: i couldn't do Sundays [02:03 PM] Boroondas Gupte: if not, surround it with .... [02:03 PM]  Boroondas Gupte: we can remove that whenever we get linking working again